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From all I can gather, William Lindsay was the straightest of arrows, a saint. In an attempt to keep his experiences accessible, I'm dedicating a few years of research into William Lindsay and putting it on this blog. Please sign the guestbook. I'd love for this to be a gathering place for discussion on the man and his family.

Monday, September 12, 2011

Indian War Veteran

Many years following William Lindsay's involvement in the Utah Blackhawk Indian War, 1865-1867, he and other veterans united to form the Indian War Association around the year 1900. This organization was involved in organizing campfire reunions, advocacy efforts for war pensions, honoring deceased soldiers and other civic events. William Lindsay was involved in the formation of the Indian War Association in Heber on March 18, 1900.

Deseret News. 3/20/1900
Along about the year 1900 an Association of the Indian War Veteran's was formed & I had become a member & later an officer in the Association & Campfires were held yearly in some of the towns where veterans lived & all veterans in the State were invited to come & spend 4 days & have a jolly time And besides that each Post was expected to have a gathering in their own town & have a Program a Banquet & a Grand Ball once each year & we sure had many right social gatherings & enjoyable times I was Adjutant & Quartermaster for many years & attended campfires in several Utah county towns At some of those campfires the subject of trying to get some enumeration for our services during the Indian wars in Utah was discussed & it was decided that each veteran pay one dollar each year into a fund to be used to pay a committee to go to Washington with a petition asking Congress to pass a bill allowing each man who could prove his services in the Indian wars of Utah a pension. But for years they could not get anything done. Finally about 1916 Mr. Howell our Representative & Reed Smoot our Senator were appealed to & Howell introduced a bill giving a pension to all who could prove 90 days continuous service which passed the House & came up to the Senate. Here Smoot amended the bill to read 30 days instead of 90 & got the bill passed & Pres. Wilson signed it March 4th 1917 The amount of the Pension was $20.00 per month for Veterans & $12.00 for their widows. So I with others received a Pension from that time on. Then in the Congress of 1916 & 1917 Representative Leatherwood introduced a bill asking that the amount of The Indian war pension be increased to $50.00 for men over 75 years of age & $30.00 for widows it passed the house & Smoot took hold of it & got it passed in the Senate & Pres. Coolidge signed it & so I am enjoying the benefits but a majority of of those who did service passed away before these Pension laws were passed & some who are still living but had failed to get their names on the Muster Rolls at the time of service & cannot prove 30 days service by living witnesses are left out. Of course at the time this service was rendered we had no idea of getting any remuneration whatever. What we did we were almost compelled to do to protect ourselves & our cattle & horses & we had to furnish our own firearms & ammunition. I sold the first steer I ever owned to buy a gun at that time.

Pg 324
October 1914 we had a very nice fair where all farm products & stock were shown & a large number of people were in attendance. James Price one of my old Pioneer friends got hurt by his team getting frightened & throwing him out of his buggy & he died the next day. He was a very good man & well respected by everybody. I attend his funeral at Charleston & was one of the speakers at the services. All the Indian war Veterans also attended as he was one of our comrades. We usually carried a large U.S. Flag & marched from the home to the place of service when it was possible. There was an old comrade of the Blackhawk writing a book telling of the battles with the Indians during that & the other Indian wars in Utah. He wrote to me asking me to give him what information I could with regard to our troubles with the Indians at that time so of course I complied with his request & sent him all particulars as near as I could & which he printed in his book (*Note: pg 250-251 "History of Indian Depradations of Utah" by Peter Gottfredson). We used to hold an election of Officers every 2 years of the Posts of the Indian War Association at which I was reelected Adjutant & Quartermaster for a great many years & untill we gave it up entirely. I still hold all the books & records of the different companies with the names of every man enrolled The office they held if any & the services they are credited with So of course when the pension bill was finally passed in 1917 nearly all the men or widows of men who took any part in the Blackhawk war came to me for what information they required to establish their claim to a pension & many came to try to prove claims that had no evidence whatever. There were some however who had done service who were not on the roll.

Pg 313
Advocacy
In the winter of 1916 & 1917 a bill was introduced in the House of Representatives by Mr Howell allowing a pension of $20.00 per month to all those whose names appeared on the Muster Rolls as having served 90 day in the Blackhawk Indian war. The bill passed in the House & came up to the Senate & Senator made an amendment to read 30 days instead of 90 days & in that form it passed the Senate & the House concurred in the amendment & President Wilson signed it March 4th 1917 & I with a number of others have been recipients of that bill up until April 1927 when Leatherwood & Smoot got the pension raised to $50.00 by consent of both houses of Congress & the signature of President Coolidge all of which I am very thankful for.

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In March 1917 a bill was passed by both houses of Congress & signed by Pres. Wilson awarding a pension of $20.00 per month to all those who were enrolled in the Territorial Militia & served 30 days in the Blackhawk Indian war of 1866 but only those whose names appeared on a certain roll were acknowledged & it took quite a while to get a decision as to which was the official roll. I had been acting as Adjutant & Quartermaster of of the Indian War Veterans Association for some years before & had much to do in establishing claims of different individuals


Heber J. Grant and Reed Smoot, between 1918-1920
Source: Library of Congress


My claim was among those to whom the pension was granted but it was in Dec. 1918 when we received our first payment However we received at that time $240.00 for back pay to the time the bill was passed. We are indebted to Senator Smoot more than any other man for the passage of that pension bill. It has proven a great help to many aged Veterans & Widows who got $12.00 per month under that bill.

Pgs 340, 343

In 1909, William Lindsay ensured that he was officially recognized as a veteran, fulfilling the requirements of the affadavit by getting two witness signatures of two former soldiers that served with him, John Crook and Noah Mayho. This affadavit is on file at the Utah State Historical Archives, and a copy is provided below.



This affadavit was part of the process to ensure government pension. In the Salt Lake Herald 2/22/1918, veterans are named that were accepted to receive the $10 monthly pension. [
In 1919, William Lindsay "won" a pension of $20 a month. The accounts written in his journal show that the veteran's did considerable advocacy in order to "win" those pensions.

Salt Lake Herald, 1/29/1919


Campfire Reunions

On the 9th of August 1911 The Blackhawk war veterans camp fire was began here & held forth in the Stake Tabernacle I with several others had canvassed the town to find places for the older ones to sleep that did not care to camp out They had a grand 4 days celebration Programs every day & dances at night. There were 50 wagons in the yard & we the people of Heber furnished hay for the teams & wood for their campfires which were all in the Court house & Stake house grounds & there was 100 persons lodged in the homes besides. They sure had a grand time & I as one of the commitee did not begrudge the trouble & time we spent in trying to make a pleasant time for them. And they went home feeling they had been royally treated.

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That fall (1913) we had the Blackhawk War Veterans here again to hold a Campfire & of course I had to spend some time getting ready for the event. My special job was to find lodgings for the aged & infirm ones. I secured beds for 50 persons & 2 others were also securing beds in the other wards I was solicitor in the lst ward. Many came with teams & camped in the Public square these were furnished feed or pasture for their teams & wood to make their fires. The Stake house was used for Programs. And again they had a splendid time all the aged were well cared for & there was many kinds of Amusements, Picture shows, Merry go rounds & Dances all free to Veterans & widows. A good kind friendly spirit prevailed & we had good Programs of speeches songs & recitations & everybody seemed to enjoy themselves as they had done here two years before. And our visitors went off expressing their praises of the Veterans & good people of Heber.

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William Lindsay was on many committees involved with Indian War Association which coordinate the many activities and events including campfire reunions for Indian War veterans.
Salt Lake Herald, 8/16/1913.


In March 1914 The Veteran's held our usual party in the Amusement hall in Heber & had a fine program banquet & dance. As usual I called the roll only about 50 responded or were known to be alive out of 275 at the time of the enrollment in May 1866 There was a fine Ball at night all except Veterans & widows were charged 50 cents per couple & we generally sold from 150 to 200 numbers & in this way we increased our Bank account from year to year. Of course we had to pay the orchestra & some $15 for the Hall. But from year to year our numbers decreased & those left got old & feeble till only 10 were left in the county & we could not get the young sons & daughters interested So we decided to disband we had on hand at that time $163.00 that was in 1926. We voted unanimously to give $100.00 to the War Memorial Hill at Midway & the balance $63.00 to the Seminary building in Heber that had been built in 1925 & was in debt. I used to plant small U.S. flags on all the veterans graves in Heber every Decoration day for years & we took up the flags & saved them from year to year.

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In August 1915 I attended the Indian War Veteran's Camp fire at Spanish Fork where we had a very nice time I went & came on the train. The Heber train left here at 2 P:M & I got to Spanish Fork about 7 P.M. Found a large crowd already there. I slept in a tent the first night next day had a fine Program. Among other things the subject of using every means possible to get the State & also the nation to acknowledge our claim as entitled to some remuneration for our services in the Indian was strongly urged. And it was decided to get the State to acknowledge us first. This we did & the Legislature voted some $3000.00 to be paid to Veterans & widows of Veterans an equal sum as far as it would go. So we got $20.00 each from the State. This I think had the effect to give us a better chance when our application for a pension came before Congress in 1917 ...

At these Campfires reports were usually made of the death of Veterans especially the officers of the organizations. At this time we reported the death of James B. Hamilton our Commander & that 16 of us attended the funeral at Midway in a body carrying our Flag & taking part in the services. Also that Robert Broadhead another of our war Veterans had passed away in March 1915 & whose funeral we also attended as usual & took part in the exercises Bro. Broadhead was one of the very first men to plow in this valley & for many years was one of our very prominent citizens & successful farmers, & a splendid neighbor. Soon after Commander Hamilton's death we met & elected James D. Shanks to take place. Those who had served in the Blackhawk war were all getting aged & several were passing away every year & we very often had to make changes in our officers on that account It was only a few years till J.D. Shanks died & Mark Jeffs took his position & he only lived a short time after & quite a number of the veterans had also passed to the other side. So early in 1927 we decided to disband as an organization.

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Knowing William Lindsay's involvement in the Indian War Association, it was exciting, but not to surprising to find a photo of him among other veterans in the George Edward Anderson collection from the BYU Special Collections Library.

C.I.W.V. Officers and Officers' sons and daughters
Courtesy, L.Tom Perry Special Collections, Harold B. Lee Library,
Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 84602. A zoomed in shot of William Lindsay.

William Lindsay remained involved in the Indian War association through 1927 when it was finally disbanded. George Edward Anderson's 1927 shot of the Indian War reunion in Heber is also available through BYU's special collections library. The photo may be one of the last of such a gathering. I can't seem to find William Lindsay in the photo, but I can't imagine he would have missed it. Can anyone help me know if this would be his son William Howie Lindsay?

Friday, August 19, 2011

Update

Hello all - I haven't completely abandoned this blog. But life gets busy.

I have spent a considerable amount of time on geni.com. I think that site fulfills some of what I intended this site to be; it seems like a nice way to share family history records, stories and pictures on our shared ancestors. If you get a chance, check out William Lindsay's tree and profile and add yourself to it. Maybe there is still space for this blog though?

Also, let me tell you about an exciting find, something to check out next time I am in Utah. A searchable LDS Church Catalog (in beta) has opened up and I found out about the existence of two items from William Lindsay.

1) the 1894 Notebook containing from classes Lindsay attended at Brigham Young Academy as a student in the Sunday School Normal training class.
2) the 1921 Notebook sent to John L. Hughes. Gives family history and testimony (I'm very curious to know how many times he wrote this history out now).


Sunday, August 14, 2011

Grandparents in Utah

Elizabeth Geddes LindsayRobert McQueen Lindsay

Knowing that William Lindsay's father William Geddes Lindsay died in a mining accident in Scotland, I figured that Christina Howie Lindsay probably represented the first of the Lindsays to be buried on American soil. Not so.

William Lindsay's paternal grandparents Robert McQueen and Elizabeth Geddes Lindsay as well as his great-grandparents Robert Geddes and Marion Gibson Geddes are all buried in the Salt Lake City cemetery. Oddly, the writings of William Lindsay never mention their deaths, or any reunion with either grandparents while in Utah as Robert McQueen Lindsay and Elizabeth Geddes Lindsay's time there overlapped from 1867-1873. This seems odd in that they had a relationship with these grandparents while in Scotland as noted from one of William Lindsay's accounts.

" Our next move was to Gatehead near Kilmarnock and while here our sister, Jean, was born and while living here Grandfather Lindsay was severely burned in an explosion of gas in the coal mine, but by careful nursing and the blessings of the Lord he finally recovered. Brother Robert and I used to gather hawthorn blossoms to scent the room he was in."
Source: A brief history of William Lindsay Senior and his wife and family, written by William Lindsay, found on ancestry.com from Heidi Lindsay

Below is information about Robert McQueen Lindsay from Ancestry.com

A FEW INCIDENTS IN THE LIFE OF ROBERT MCQUEEN LINDSAY
He was born at Wanlockhead, Dumfries Shire, Scotland, August 14th, 1799. We know nothing for sure about his father. His mother’s name is given as Elizabeth Lindsay, and that is practically all we know about her.

Wanlockhead where he was born and married, and raised most of his family, is a small village high up in Lowther Hills, where the bonnie heather grows on the hills nearby. There are lead mines all around there and most of the men work in the mines. So of course, he also became a miner, as soon as he finished his schooling.

There is no railroad or public road within ten miles of the village so they live in peace and quiet and seldom move away. Few people move into the village, only the ones wishing to work in the mines. They seem to be industrious, honest and simple and nearly all are related by marriage. They are strict observers of the Sabbath Day.

When about twenty years old, he married Elizabeth Geddes of Lead Hills, another small village, only two miles away, but in the county of Lanark. She was born also on the 14th of August 1799. They were married in 1819 and lived there until about 1832.

We understand the family moved into Ayrshire, where he and his wife engaged in taking contracts opening mines, sinking pits and working as coal miners part of the time. Times were hard and wages low and sometimes it was hard to get work at all. So they had to move quite often to find employment. … Missing words… April 1848, the whole family joined the Mormon Church, having been thoroughly convinced that it was the gospel taught by Jesus Christ and his Apostles while they were on the earth.

About 1856, he was seriously burned by fire in an explosion in a coal mine. But by the administration of the Elders and the blessings of the Lord, he was healed. He was very fond of his children but he liked to tease them. He and his wife and daughter, Elizabeth, came to Utah in 1867, crossing the plains with ox teams. Soon after their arrival in Salt Lake City, He was employed as keeper of the gate at the Temple block for some years. In the fall of (1868?) he went to work on the railroad in Weber Canyon. He was accidentally injured and from his hurts he never fully recovered. He died in Salt Lake City, on February 23rd, 1869. He and his wife were a fine old couple and were very happy in each others’ company. They had lived together some fifty years. She lived until October (?) 17th, 1873, and lived with her daughter, Mrs. C. J. Thomas in Salt Lake City.

Tuesday, June 7, 2011

1868 retrieval of pioneers

William Lindsay was part of the 1868 efforts to seek out and guide some of the very last pioneers that made the overland trek west. This call was made by Bishop Hatch and required the then 21 year old William to travel by handcart starting in June to where the end of the railroad line had reached near Rawlings, Wyoming. Below is a map of the path taken, which mostly followed the Mormon trail until Devil's gate where they split south towards Rawlings.


View 1868 John Gillespie Company in a larger map

William Lindsay devotes 3 pages detailing the journey in his journal, included below:
"About this time I was called by Bp. Hatch to drive an ox team back to the end of the railroad after emigrants who were coming to Utah. However before I started on that trip I had a promise from from my Dear girl that she would marry me when I returned in the fall. There were 4 of us called from Heber 3 from Midway & one from Charleston. From Heber Wm Moulton, Willard Carroll, B.A. Norris & Wm Lindsay. Midway Emanuel Richman, John Van Wagoner & Brigham Hamilton. Charleston Geo. Noakes. All had ox teams 3 & 4 yoke to a wagon except Carroll & Norris who had horses & mules. Hamilton was a night herd & had a horse. We started early in June & we was to meet the Captain & the main body of the train at the head of Echo Canyon. We camped on Silver creek & I came near getting hurt the oxen I had on the wagon were rather wild & had not worked on the wheel as we called it & as soon as I unhitched them & the tongue dropped they started to run & the off ox kept kicking at me as I was still between them I however got hold of the yoke & clung to it till they slacked their pace then I dodged out in front of them all right. Of course I soon learned how to prevent further trouble. The Weber river was very high & at Wanship they charged a heavy toll & we had no money so we drove down 3 mile to Rockport up to Peoa & crossed the Weber on an old bridge with the water running over it & all around it & went down to Wanship on the other side over a very rough rocky road that never been traveled before by teams.

We intended to camp at Grass Creek but just we got to the Chalk Creek bridge some boys were coming with a bunch of cows & rustled them on to the old bridge to be ahead of our string of wagons. The bridge gave way & the cows & timbers were carried down the raging stream towards the Weber river of course we camped right there. It was known that a new bridge was need ed & new stringers were all in place ready to lay the new plank on. So next morning the new plank was laid & we crossed on it. Two days after we reached Cache cave at the head of Echo & joined the main part of the train. The men & teams were mostly from West Jordan, Cottonwood & Salt Lake The Springville Provo, Battle Creek, & American Fork teams came up Proyo Canyon & joined us at Heber. Now there was over 50 wagons & that many men besides the Captain John G. Holman his assistant Chauncy Bacon & some 6 night herders. We laid over one day to get acquainted & get instructions as to our places in the train & what we were expected to do. The Captain warned us all to be very careful of our health. He said we are now starting out on a long & tedious journey that will take all summer. We have no extra men & everyone of us have our part to do. One thing I especially remember he said boys it will be warm days & cool nights traveling over the high mountain country be sure to keep your coats handy so you can slip them on each evening as the sun goes down. We started on our journey got over Bear river on bridge all right Went over the Quakingasp ridge crossed the Muddy near Bridger & on to Green river which was a raging torrent a quarter of a mile wild. Three days before 6 men were drowned there by the ferry boat being up set & it certainly was a dangerous stream to cross The wagons & men of course were taken over on the boat. But there was some 400 oxen & we had a job making them swim over to the other side We finally drove them up the river to where there was a riffle or shallow- er place & the men on horse back forced the oxen into the stream & we on foot waded into the stream as far we dare to keep them from turning back & of course the water was very cold & everybody had to get in up to their waist & stand there for hours. It took most of two days getting all the oxen over. There was several narrow escapes from drowning one, man was saved by getting hold of an ox's tail as he was being carried down the raging stream, another on a horse in swimming water the horse turned over backwards with him & kicked him but others were near & helped him out. I tell you we were all thankful & happy when everything was landed safely on the other side. Men from the other train were still there trying to find the bodies of their comrades. Some I think were never found although the river & its banks were searched for miles

Our train traveled on day after day on what was the original trail of the Pioneers passed Big Sandy, Little Sandy & Dry Sandy & Pacific Springs & on to South Pass & Sweetwater which we follow- ed down for nearly a week to Devil's Gate. From there,we struck of to the right through Whiskey Gap & on to Rawlins on the line of the U.P. railroad. Some grading was being done there at that time However we traveled on till we reached the North Platte near a railroad town called Benton*.
Here was very good feed for the oxen & it was decided best for us to camp right there until our emigrants came along. Some of the other trains went on to Laramie and got the emigrants that came in the earliest companies. We were the last train going down & we had to wait for the very last company of the season & they did not arrive till the first of September. We had taken supplies of flour bacon & beans with us enough to last us & our emigrants back home. But having to wait so long our stores would have come short, so Captain Holman took a contract to haul some hundreds of cords of wood to some of the railroad camps & us teamsters soon filled the contract & in that way raised money to buy all necessary supplies. The North Platte river was still quite high when first reached it & the best feed was on the other side of the river. So we had to take turns going over to herd the oxen we used the horses to get over & back & they had to swim. That was the only time in my life that I ever rode horses in swimming water & I was lucky in always getting a horse or mule that was easily managed. Of course we had lots of leisure time while lying over on the river but we enjoyed ourselves very well when off duty sing songs or playing games & visiting other camps as they came along on the return journey with their emigrants on their way to Utah In these trains I met several persons that I had worked with in the coal mines in Scotland. John Livingston, Wm Wilson & James Elliot among the rest. Of course we were very glad to see each other but they had to go on with their train. I met an old Scotch lady named Osborne who had been an invalid for 20 years but she had a very great desire that her body might be buried with the Saints in the land of Zion that was her great ambition & to get her daughter who was with her settled down among the Saints. The Dear old sister was very frail but she had faith that she would live to reach the valley which she did. She died at Grass Creek & was buried in the Coalville cemetery & had a Latter Day Saint funeral & a nice coffin to lay her body in."

The Pioneer Overland Travel Website, 1847-1868, repository includes accounts of all the Mormon pioneer treks, including other accounts of this journey. William Lindsay's group is listed as being assigned to the Ogden settlement in John Gillespie's account book.

Below is a list of folks assigned to William Lindsay's care for the journey (from John Gillespie's account book):

Ogden City Wm Lindsay Good teamster Good wagon 3 yoke good oxen Emmigrants lbs Luggage
William Nichols 232
Ellen Nichols
Catharine Nichols
Isabella Nichols
Mary E Nichols

Robert Broun [Brown] 178
Mary Broun [Brown]
Henry Jones 100
Rachael [Rachel] Jones
John Stevins [Stevens] 100
Mary Thomas 100
David Thomas


Ann Bryan Osborn, who died September 12th, 1868 in Coalville, Utah was disheartening for me since she was so close!

*More on Benton, Wyoming, no longer in existence but an interesting place as described here:
"Benton was Wyoming Territory's first ghost town. Benton, 11 miles east of present day Rawlins at UP milepost 672.1, lasted only three months from July to September 1868, and attained a population of 3,000. During that period, however, it provided an interesting contrast. On one hand, it had twenty-five saloons and five dance halls. During its brief existence, reputedly over 100 souls met their Maker in gunfights. One visitor referred to Benton as "nearer a repetition of Sodom and Gomorrah than any other place in America."

Grant during his 1868 visit to Wyoming visited the town. Additionally, the town in August and September 1868, provided the jumping off location for 2,000 Saints in 5 companies heading to Utah." Source: http://userpages.aug.com/bdobson/photos9.html